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Monday, January 04, 2010
Our Martyred Sister, We Will Continue Your Path
Footage of a female Iranian who was martyred on the Bloody Ashura protests:
24 comments:
Neda Mehregan
said...
These are really disturbing images coming out of Iran on a daily basis. There is no end to the evil and treachery of a minority criminal gang who want power at any cost. However they won't last for much longer. They are on the way out.
For shame. The poor woman's tears cut straight to the Nations grief now under the blanket of this "Dark Mullah" tyranny. Khamanei is now even more hated the world over than Mugabe and Kim il Song. Huh, no wonder he now just carps, and scapes and butchers to stay alive. Both the people and God have shut the gates on him. Hell is the only thing left now waiting to swallow him. My sincere sympathies to the family of the poor murdered woman.
You are the idiot. Some woman unfortunately died during an illegal protest which turned violent, and you blame the government for it?
What do you recommend the government do when people come out and protest without permits and turn violent. They burn motorbikes, kick police, put trashcans on fire, what do you want the government to do? Appease them?
Let me remind you that these people are the minority, just like you and your dissident lot are the minority. There is a reason you live abroad and are called dissidents. Its because you're a MINORITY.
The facts are that the government in Iran has the support of the majority of the people. Whether you like that or not, or even admit it or not , it won't change the facts. People like you and Sohrab, and Potkin, and Neda have been saying for years that this government is on its way out....blah blah blah....keep saying it, it won't matter.
SZ - your propoganda does not work here. Of course I blame the despotic regime (I wouldn't even call it a government - it has neither the right or the ability to govern) for instigating the violence. You have a very warped view of the numbers, but then I wouldn't expect anything else from a person whose family has their grubby hands in the honey pot. Your corrupt regime is on its last legs & all the violence, lame cover ups ("accidents" as your police chief calls them), denial of free press are desperate tactics. You, your family, Reza Esfandiari & the regime you support are a disgrace to Iran and Iranians.
If the IRI is so stable and confident, why does it have to resort to so much repression? Governments that are confident about their legitimacy know that their laws and procedures are fundamentally fair and they can expect the citizenry to support the government overall, even if they disagree with particular policies. Such governments don't have to resort to any violence because they are confident about their legitimacy. Only fucked up dictatorships like the IRI have to resort to rape and violence to stay in power.
What violence is the government propagating? Iran's government has been lenient with these hoodlums and hooligans. They come out on the streets and burn the streets in the name of peace? When the police are sent out, the government is to blame right? You're a fucking idiot.
The IRI has the support of the majority of Iranians and thats a fact. The opposition "protestors" did not follow the laws of the land. They appealed the election, they wanted a recount, and got a partial recount according to the laws of Iran, they didn't like it, so they come out and demonstrate. Idiots like you then come and tell us that its the government's fault that people are protesting and that the protestors, although the minority should be awarded any demands they want.
Are you sure you are a law student? Are you sure you are even in school? And FYI, Iran is not a dictatorship you fucking idiot, the Shah was a dictatorship who thankfully was overthrown and kicked the hell out of our country.
Keep thinking the government in Iran will fall, in 30 years, you'll still be singing the same song. Fucking idiot.
Amir, Are you delusional? Does every person who disagrees with you benefiting from the Iranian government or getting money from them? Are you that fucking stupid?
"I wouldn't even call it a government - it has neither the right or the ability to govern."
How can you logically explain that Iran's government does not have the right to govern or the ability? Last time I checked, the revolution brought this government into power....the PEOPLE brought this government to power. Seriously dude, you are really a stupid idiot.
And you claim that the government instigated violence??? Seriously? These hooligans come out to protest without a permit and without any reason...They break the law and you somehow claim that the government instigated this?
"You have a very warped view of the numbers, but then I wouldn't expect anything else from a person whose family has their grubby hands in the honey pot."
Please explain how I have a warped view of the numbers, and prove that I have my hands in the supposed "honey pot." I can claim that you have your hands in the Anti-Government pot the US government gives out each year!
hahahaha...clueless idiot and pathetic, you really are pathetic.
How many years have anti government idiots like you been saying that the IRI is on its last legs? how many years have you been claiming this? Seriously, go live your life, and give up on this stupid idiotic vendetta you have against Iran. It makes you look like the traitor you are.
Its interesting you claim I am a traitor, when I am the one living in Iran, and paying taxes, and earning my income here. I sleep in my country, while you are the traitor living abroad cursing us like the Americans and British. Fuck you.
Your arguments are ridiculously childish. And I feel like you know it.
Enough with this "minority" and "dissident" nonsense. Black people are a minority in the US, does that mean their grievances should not be heard and allowed to go through the political process?
Minorities exist throughout the world, in ever country. And governments who choose not to deal with the grievances of the "minority" population have a common fate.
The mighty Roman empire was toppled by a rag-tag minority of Visigoths.
The British were ejected from the Colonies by a "minority" group of DISSIDENTS.
The many, many people that poured into the streets during the 1979 "Islamic" revolution were a MINORITY of the population. Out of 50+ million, less than a dozen million (if we accept the highest estimates) Iranians hit the streets.
And wait a second, that's right, Khomeini was a, wait for it... DISSIDENT.
This minority you speak of are still your countrymen. They are mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, and most of importantly of all: they are people.
Your argument contradicts itself in the very first paragraph.
"Enough with this "minority" and "dissident" nonsense. Black people are a minority in the US, does that mean their grievances should not be heard and allowed to go through the political process?"
Exactly correct, minorities deserve every right through the political process to have their voices heard. In Iran, after the election was lost by Mousavi, he filed an official objection, and his objection was heard within the legal framework of our government. They got a partial recount, and the election results were upheld. Rezaei accepted the results and withdrew his complaint. At that point, Mousavi should have conceded, asked his supporters to unite the country for the good of Iran. Thats it. If that would have happened, the reformists would have swept to a huge election victory in 2013, and I would be all for it as well. You can't say that Iran and its government and its laws cheated the opposition. They lost the election, and thats it, move on. If you don't accept the legal framework of the nation and keep on protesting an election and claim you are being oppressed when you aren't really being oppressed at all, then we have a problem and the government has every right to detain and punish the perpetrators who continue to offend the laws and rules of Iran.
Minorities were and still are a big part of Iranian life and of our heritage. We have the only Jewish population in the middle east besides Israel, and they are not oppressed or persecuted. We have christians in our country who live peacefully with others.
And fyi, Iran's population during the revolution was about 35 million, and about 15-20 million would show up for protests against the Shah, and the Shah by the way was not a populist ruler and was not popular at all. His army didn't even bother to fight for him.
For you to say that because Khomeini was a dissident and went against the Shah's regime, therefore these protestors are correct is incorrect. these protestors are upset because their candidate lost, and won't accept the results. Khomeini was a spiritual leader, the kind of leader that could stir a movement. Mousavi was a prime minister of Iran, he is not a spiritual leader of anything, if anything he is a disgruntled former prime minister who wants to be back in power.
"This minority you speak of are still your countrymen. They are mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, and most of importantly of all: they are people."
I never said the protestors deserve to die, or they deserve any sort of punishment. They do however have to follow the laws of our country. They want to protest, file for a permit, if you don't receive a permit, file an appeal, but above all, follow the legal guidelines and frameworks of the nation you live in. When Khatami won the election earlier this decade, conservatives didn't pour into the street and protest, nope, they accepted the results and got ready for the next election. To pour into the streets, burn buses, cars and motorcycles is idiotic and only discredits the movement. I am all for liberalizing some aspects of Iranian society such as the hejab, or the rules for women attending sporting events with men, or the rule against alcohol, all those can be changed through proper dialogue and through the right legal avenues. But to come onto the street and curse the leader and the government only creates animosity.
First let me say thank you for not resorting to any name calling.
Second, if you look at the trajectory of civil rights inside the United States, particularly for black folks, it was not simply the political process that provided them those rights. They protested (sometimes violently and sometimes peacefully) and because of their civil action they gained the necessary influence that allowed the political process to actually help them. And mind you, without the individual decisions made by Lyndon B. Johnson in the context of Cold War politics they still might have not gotten their rights.
"You can't say that Iran and its government and its laws cheated the opposition."
Never said that.
"For you to say that because Khomeini was a dissident and went against the Shah's regime, therefore these protesters are correct is incorrect."
Never said that or implied that. I feel like you're confusing my arguments with the arguments of others on this blog. I am simply pointing out that to be a dissident is not a negative thing, or to be in the minority for that matter. That's all.
"And fyi, Iran's population during the revolution was about 35 million, and about 15-20 million would show up for protests against the Shah..."
You will have to provide me a source for those numbers because I don't find them to be true. In fact, I challenge you to find a revolution in which a majority of the people turned out on the streets. Also, the rest of that statement implies that I might be a supporter of the previous monarch. I am not.
I never mentioned the elections, but I will say this: Even if the results were accurate and Ahmadinejad won handily, the electoral process itself is rigged. Any bright person, which I feel you are, can recognize this. Candidates are screened, not simply for citizenship or age qualifications, but for ideological conformity.
This implies that Iranians have a uniform ideology across the country, which undercuts the broader political representation Iranians need - not only for practical purposes, but for political legitimacy as well.
Why not let an athiest or a homosexual run for office? In the United States they can run for office, but they just don't get elected. In Iran, they don't even allow the opportunity for someone not in line with the official ideology to run for office. I hope you understand my point.
I am not refuting the election results - I oppose the electoral process itself.
PEace, barmakid
Did you see Motaharri's son's interview on channel three? If not, here is the link: http://iranianuk.com/article.php?id=45400
He speaks the truth. But maybe you can explain to me how Velayat-e faqih differs from monarchical rule...
"With the help of numerous details and arguments, we have examined the velayet-e faqih from every side, both in its rational-political aspects and from the angle of the Quran, Islamic tradition, and Islamic law, and we must judge it as one hundred percent destructive. From a political point of view, the velayet-e faqih is despotism and means a regression back to the state we had hoped to overcome with the Islamic Revolution. From a religious point of view it is polythiesm (shirk) and a totalitarian personality cult (far'uniyat)."
Fuck you SZ. You know the issues run much deeper than this. This isn't just about a stolen election, this is to do with corruption, a failing economy, a disgraceful rate of inflation, inadequate health care and high unemployment. This is because an Islamic regime has FAILED the country. It has isolated the nation from the world. And everytime this regime commits another atrocity against its citizens ( for example police running over people in the streets or committing buggery in the name of justice and Islam) they create more anger and resentment. Face it you fucking stooge, your regime has failed Iran. This minority ( Of millions ) as you call it, is trying to tell you they are fed up. Like your regime you choose to ignore them. On your heads be it. Don't bitch later on when your beloved Islamic Regime is confined to the trash can of history. Fuck you, Reza Esfandiari, Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and every dirty corrupt official in this murderous regime.
I don't like to resort to name calling because it doesn't have anything to do with the issues.
"Never said that or implied that. I feel like you're confusing my arguments with the arguments of others on this blog. I am simply pointing out that to be a dissident is not a negative thing, or to be in the minority for that matter. That's all. "
Ok, I never said to be a dissident is a negative thing. What I am saying however is that being a dissident like the idiotic people that post on this blog (sohrab, nader, amir, winston) is a negative thing. These people foam at the mouth when it comes to Iran and you can't have a adult discourse with them.
"You will have to provide me a source for those numbers because I don't find them to be true. In fact, I challenge you to find a revolution in which a majority of the people turned out on the streets. Also, the rest of that statement implies that I might be a supporter of the previous monarch. I am not."
Here is a direct quote for you about the turnout during the Iranian revolution.
"It is almost unheard of for a revolution to involve as much as 1 percent of a country's population. The French Revolution of 1789, the Russian Revolution of 1917, perhaps the Romanian Revolution of 1989 - these may have passed the 1 percent mark. Yet in Iran, more than 10% of the country marched in anti-shah demonstrations on December 10 and 11, 1978."
"I never mentioned the elections, but I will say this: Even if the results were accurate and Ahmadinejad won handily, the electoral process itself is rigged. Any bright person, which I feel you are, can recognize this. Candidates are screened, not simply for citizenship or age qualifications, but for ideological conformity."
I agree with that statement, I think any person who qualifies on the basis of citizenship and age should be able to run for office. Off course, there has to be some limitation, or else we will have thousands of people running for office every election, but as a general rule, it should be allowed for people to choose their leaders based on their beliefs. I never said Iran can't improve on its current system through changes and alterations, I just disapprove how some people like these bastards traitors want Iran to be a secularized western stooge. That is actually against what most Iranians are all about and want.
I understand your point about letting people run for office, and I agree with it.
I don't like to name call with people who actually address the issues and discuss it with me. After all, we are Iranian. It is people like Sohrab, Nader, Amir, Winston who are stooges of the west and secularism and want Iran to be a western lackey and vassal state.
"Never said that or implied that. I feel like you're confusing my arguments with the arguments of others on this blog. I am simply pointing out that to be a dissident is not a negative thing, or to be in the minority for that matter. That's all. "
Point taken, and agreed. Being a dissident is not a bad thing, its a good thing. I think most of the protestors in Iran are peaceful, even though I don't agree with them. The problem is that they are infested with MEK and Mossad agents and Royalists who are causing unrest and stirring violence. I want the government to weed those out, the rest of the people, they are not violent and have a right to protest within the legal framework of the nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
This article talks about the turnout of Iranians during protests against the shah. this part in particular is very interesting.
"A week later on December 10 and 11, a "total of 6 to 9 million" anti-shah demonstrators marched throughout Iran. According to one historian, "even discounting for exaggeration, these figures may represent the largest protest event in history." It is almost unheard of for a revolution to involve as much as 1 percent of a country's population. The French Revolution of 1789, the Russian Revolution of 1917, perhaps the Romanian Revolution of 1989 - these may have passed the 1 percent mark. Yet in Iran, more than 10% of the country marched in anti-shah demonstrations on December 10 and 11, 1978."
I think its fair to say that these protests are not even close to the level of protests during the Shah. For people like Winston, Amir, Nader, Neda and Sohrab Jendeh to mention that this is a "revolution" is ludicrous. This is anything but a revolution, its a protest against certain policies and for certain superfluous freedoms.
I agree with you as well that people in Iran should be allowed to run for office of any kind without being disqualified based on the reasons they can be disqualified for now. I agree with that 100%. let people run for office, and if they win, so be it, but at least let them run and be defeated. I think when you don't let people run for office because of any reason that is artificial, you tend to alienate that segment however small.
Fuck you. your mother is the whore, and your father is a son of a bitch.
You post a youtube clip of some guy who died during the protest after being beaten and hurt, and you want us to feel sorry for you or him or say that because of this one incident, Iran's government is evil?
Fuck you, come up with something better next time asshole.
"This isn't just about a stolen election, this is to do with corruption, a failing economy, a disgraceful rate of inflation, inadequate health care and high unemployment."
Wait, are you talking about Iran or the United States these past couple of years?
Iran is a DEVELOPING nation who is under constant threat of military attack and sanctions because the US doesn't like what we did to their slave the Shah and to their embassy....booohoo...poor USA.....
I wonder how other nations would develop if they had to endure a 9 year war with their neighbors that destroyed the economy and killed about 1 million Iranians, and I wonder how they would develop if they were under sanctions for that time and under threat of attack. Fuck you, go cry me a river, this movement is NOT about those things, its about the fact that they lost an election, and they want their guy to win!
Iran's government has not failed the country you fucking doushe. We were involved in a bloody 9 year war. The IRI only has been in existence for 30 years! that means that 1/3 of the time we have been at war with Iraq! are you that dense that you can't even realize that!
Yes, the regime in Iran has so created so much damn resentment, thats why its collapsing as we speak, thats why nobody in Iran supports it and thats why Iran's GDP growth rate is about 6% annually for the past decade. That's why our GDP per capita (PPP) is number 59 in the WORLD according to the world bank. we are ahead of countries like Brazil, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, India and even China! Get the fuck out of here, and all this with Iran being under sanctions for 30 fucking years, and involved in a war for 9! Seriously, you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about and its sad, because you're making a fool out of yourself.
We are also rated as ABOVE average when it comes to GDP per capita, when countries like India, China Brazil and most of Latin America are UNDER world average. Last I checked, except for china, those countries were secular democracies and US allies...It's interesting, we are the US's mortal enemies, and yet under all this threat and sanctions we still do better than US allies do!
"Face it you fucking stooge, your regime has failed Iran."
Yep, you really proved your point Amir jendeh. Seriously, keep up the good work fuck face!
"This minority ( Of millions ) as you call it, is trying to tell you they are fed up."
Correction, this is a MINORITY who can be fed up all they want, they lost the election and that's why they are a minority! You're a fucking idiot.
"Don't bitch later on when your beloved Islamic Regime is confined to the trash can of history."
Last I checked, you're the one that's bitching about Iran. I live in Iran and actually have a damn good life. I feel sorry for you and that whore of a mother that bore you.
You're an idiot, I have proven that I can speak farsi just fine. Once again, thanks for addressing the points I made. You really show your intelligence of lack thereof.
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These are really disturbing images coming out of Iran on a daily basis. There is no end to the evil and treachery of a minority criminal gang who want power at any cost.
However they won't last for much longer. They are on the way out.
Can't watch it.
For shame. The poor woman's tears cut straight to the Nations grief now under the blanket of this "Dark Mullah" tyranny. Khamanei is now even more hated the world over than Mugabe and Kim il Song. Huh, no wonder he now just carps, and scapes and butchers to stay alive. Both the people and God have shut the gates on him. Hell is the only thing left now waiting to swallow him. My sincere sympathies to the family of the poor murdered woman.
Heartbreaking. And still we have idiots like SZ & Reza Esfandiari defending this vile regime.
Amir,
You are the idiot. Some woman unfortunately died during an illegal protest which turned violent, and you blame the government for it?
What do you recommend the government do when people come out and protest without permits and turn violent. They burn motorbikes, kick police, put trashcans on fire, what do you want the government to do? Appease them?
Let me remind you that these people are the minority, just like you and your dissident lot are the minority. There is a reason you live abroad and are called dissidents. Its because you're a MINORITY.
The facts are that the government in Iran has the support of the majority of the people. Whether you like that or not, or even admit it or not , it won't change the facts. People like you and Sohrab, and Potkin, and Neda have been saying for years that this government is on its way out....blah blah blah....keep saying it, it won't matter.
SZ - your propoganda does not work here. Of course I blame the despotic regime (I wouldn't even call it a government - it has neither the right or the ability to govern) for instigating the violence. You have a very warped view of the numbers, but then I wouldn't expect anything else from a person whose family has their grubby hands in the honey pot. Your corrupt regime is on its last legs & all the violence, lame cover ups ("accidents" as your police chief calls them), denial of free press are desperate tactics. You, your family, Reza Esfandiari & the regime you support are a disgrace to Iran and Iranians.
SZ-ye kunkesh,
If the IRI is so stable and confident, why does it have to resort to so much repression? Governments that are confident about their legitimacy know that their laws and procedures are fundamentally fair and they can expect the citizenry to support the government overall, even if they disagree with particular policies. Such governments don't have to resort to any violence because they are confident about their legitimacy. Only fucked up dictatorships like the IRI have to resort to rape and violence to stay in power.
Sohrab eh ahmag,
What violence is the government propagating? Iran's government has been lenient with these hoodlums and hooligans. They come out on the streets and burn the streets in the name of peace? When the police are sent out, the government is to blame right? You're a fucking idiot.
The IRI has the support of the majority of Iranians and thats a fact. The opposition "protestors" did not follow the laws of the land. They appealed the election, they wanted a recount, and got a partial recount according to the laws of Iran, they didn't like it, so they come out and demonstrate. Idiots like you then come and tell us that its the government's fault that people are protesting and that the protestors, although the minority should be awarded any demands they want.
Are you sure you are a law student? Are you sure you are even in school? And FYI, Iran is not a dictatorship you fucking idiot, the Shah was a dictatorship who thankfully was overthrown and kicked the hell out of our country.
Keep thinking the government in Iran will fall, in 30 years, you'll still be singing the same song. Fucking idiot.
Amir,
Are you delusional? Does every person who disagrees with you benefiting from the Iranian government or getting money from them? Are you that fucking stupid?
"I wouldn't even call it a government - it has neither the right or the ability to govern."
How can you logically explain that Iran's government does not have the right to govern or the ability? Last time I checked, the revolution brought this government into power....the PEOPLE brought this government to power. Seriously dude, you are really a stupid idiot.
And you claim that the government instigated violence??? Seriously? These hooligans come out to protest without a permit and without any reason...They break the law and you somehow claim that the government instigated this?
"You have a very warped view of the numbers, but then I wouldn't expect anything else from a person whose family has their grubby hands in the honey pot."
Please explain how I have a warped view of the numbers, and prove that I have my hands in the supposed "honey pot." I can claim that you have your hands in the Anti-Government pot the US government gives out each year!
hahahaha...clueless idiot and pathetic, you really are pathetic.
How many years have anti government idiots like you been saying that the IRI is on its last legs? how many years have you been claiming this? Seriously, go live your life, and give up on this stupid idiotic vendetta you have against Iran. It makes you look like the traitor you are.
Its interesting you claim I am a traitor, when I am the one living in Iran, and paying taxes, and earning my income here. I sleep in my country, while you are the traitor living abroad cursing us like the Americans and British. Fuck you.
"ahmag" chiye madar-ghahbeh?
Do the Basijis have to pay taxes too???!!!
SZ,
Your arguments are ridiculously childish. And I feel like you know it.
Enough with this "minority" and "dissident" nonsense. Black people are a minority in the US, does that mean their grievances should not be heard and allowed to go through the political process?
Minorities exist throughout the world, in ever country. And governments who choose not to deal with the grievances of the "minority" population have a common fate.
The mighty Roman empire was toppled by a rag-tag minority of Visigoths.
The British were ejected from the Colonies by a "minority" group of DISSIDENTS.
The many, many people that poured into the streets during the 1979 "Islamic" revolution were a MINORITY of the population. Out of 50+ million, less than a dozen million (if we accept the highest estimates) Iranians hit the streets.
And wait a second, that's right, Khomeini was a, wait for it... DISSIDENT.
This minority you speak of are still your countrymen. They are mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, and most of importantly of all: they are people.
PEace,
barmakid
p.s.
Hilda,
hahaha
Barmakid.
;)
BarmaKID,
Your argument contradicts itself in the very first paragraph.
"Enough with this "minority" and "dissident" nonsense. Black people are a minority in the US, does that mean their grievances should not be heard and allowed to go through the political process?"
Exactly correct, minorities deserve every right through the political process to have their voices heard. In Iran, after the election was lost by Mousavi, he filed an official objection, and his objection was heard within the legal framework of our government. They got a partial recount, and the election results were upheld. Rezaei accepted the results and withdrew his complaint. At that point, Mousavi should have conceded, asked his supporters to unite the country for the good of Iran. Thats it. If that would have happened, the reformists would have swept to a huge election victory in 2013, and I would be all for it as well. You can't say that Iran and its government and its laws cheated the opposition. They lost the election, and thats it, move on. If you don't accept the legal framework of the nation and keep on protesting an election and claim you are being oppressed when you aren't really being oppressed at all, then we have a problem and the government has every right to detain and punish the perpetrators who continue to offend the laws and rules of Iran.
Minorities were and still are a big part of Iranian life and of our heritage. We have the only Jewish population in the middle east besides Israel, and they are not oppressed or persecuted. We have christians in our country who live peacefully with others.
And fyi, Iran's population during the revolution was about 35 million, and about 15-20 million would show up for protests against the Shah, and the Shah by the way was not a populist ruler and was not popular at all. His army didn't even bother to fight for him.
For you to say that because Khomeini was a dissident and went against the Shah's regime, therefore these protestors are correct is incorrect. these protestors are upset because their candidate lost, and won't accept the results. Khomeini was a spiritual leader, the kind of leader that could stir a movement. Mousavi was a prime minister of Iran, he is not a spiritual leader of anything, if anything he is a disgruntled former prime minister who wants to be back in power.
"This minority you speak of are still your countrymen. They are mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, and most of importantly of all: they are people."
I never said the protestors deserve to die, or they deserve any sort of punishment. They do however have to follow the laws of our country. They want to protest, file for a permit, if you don't receive a permit, file an appeal, but above all, follow the legal guidelines and frameworks of the nation you live in. When Khatami won the election earlier this decade, conservatives didn't pour into the street and protest, nope, they accepted the results and got ready for the next election. To pour into the streets, burn buses, cars and motorcycles is idiotic and only discredits the movement. I am all for liberalizing some aspects of Iranian society such as the hejab, or the rules for women attending sporting events with men, or the rule against alcohol, all those can be changed through proper dialogue and through the right legal avenues. But to come onto the street and curse the leader and the government only creates animosity.
SZ,
First let me say thank you for not resorting to any name calling.
Second, if you look at the trajectory of civil rights inside the United States, particularly for black folks, it was not simply the political process that provided them those rights. They protested (sometimes violently and sometimes peacefully) and because of their civil action they gained the necessary influence that allowed the political process to actually help them. And mind you, without the individual decisions made by Lyndon B. Johnson in the context of Cold War politics they still might have not gotten their rights.
"You can't say that Iran and its government and its laws cheated the opposition."
Never said that.
"For you to say that because Khomeini was a dissident and went against the Shah's regime, therefore these protesters are correct is incorrect."
Never said that or implied that. I feel like you're confusing my arguments with the arguments of others on this blog. I am simply pointing out that to be a dissident is not a negative thing, or to be in the minority for that matter. That's all.
"And fyi, Iran's population during the revolution was about 35 million, and about 15-20 million would show up for protests against the Shah..."
You will have to provide me a source for those numbers because I don't find them to be true. In fact, I challenge you to find a revolution in which a majority of the people turned out on the streets. Also, the rest of that statement implies that I might be a supporter of the previous monarch. I am not.
I never mentioned the elections, but I will say this: Even if the results were accurate and Ahmadinejad won handily, the electoral process itself is rigged. Any bright person, which I feel you are, can recognize this. Candidates are screened, not simply for citizenship or age qualifications, but for ideological conformity.
This implies that Iranians have a uniform ideology across the country, which undercuts the broader political representation Iranians need - not only for practical purposes, but for political legitimacy as well.
Why not let an athiest or a homosexual run for office? In the United States they can run for office, but they just don't get elected. In Iran, they don't even allow the opportunity for someone not in line with the official ideology to run for office. I hope you understand my point.
I am not refuting the election results - I oppose the electoral process itself.
PEace,
barmakid
Did you see Motaharri's son's interview on channel three? If not, here is the link: http://iranianuk.com/article.php?id=45400
He speaks the truth. But maybe you can explain to me how Velayat-e faqih differs from monarchical rule...
"With the help of numerous details and arguments, we have examined the velayet-e faqih from every side, both in its rational-political aspects and from the angle of the Quran, Islamic tradition, and Islamic law, and we must judge it as one hundred percent destructive. From a political point of view, the velayet-e faqih is despotism and means a regression back to the state we had hoped to overcome with the Islamic Revolution. From a religious point of view it is polythiesm (shirk) and a totalitarian personality cult (far'uniyat)."
- Mehdi Bazargan 1980 (appointed by Khomeini)
SZ,
Ask your whore of a mother who brought up a shit like you to translate this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhLg68adsbg
and then talk about obeying law in Iran.
Fuck you SZ. You know the issues run much deeper than this. This isn't just about a stolen election, this is to do with corruption, a failing economy, a disgraceful rate of inflation, inadequate health care and high unemployment. This is because an Islamic regime has FAILED the country. It has isolated the nation from the world. And everytime this regime commits another atrocity against its citizens ( for example police running over people in the streets or committing buggery in the name of justice and Islam) they create more anger and resentment. Face it you fucking stooge, your regime has failed Iran. This minority ( Of millions ) as you call it, is trying to tell you they are fed up. Like your regime you choose to ignore them. On your heads be it. Don't bitch later on when your beloved Islamic Regime is confined to the trash can of history. Fuck you, Reza Esfandiari, Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and every dirty corrupt official in this murderous regime.
Barmakid,
I don't like to resort to name calling because it doesn't have anything to do with the issues.
"Never said that or implied that. I feel like you're confusing my arguments with the arguments of others on this blog. I am simply pointing out that to be a dissident is not a negative thing, or to be in the minority for that matter. That's all. "
Ok, I never said to be a dissident is a negative thing. What I am saying however is that being a dissident like the idiotic people that post on this blog (sohrab, nader, amir, winston) is a negative thing. These people foam at the mouth when it comes to Iran and you can't have a adult discourse with them.
"You will have to provide me a source for those numbers because I don't find them to be true. In fact, I challenge you to find a revolution in which a majority of the people turned out on the streets. Also, the rest of that statement implies that I might be a supporter of the previous monarch. I am not."
Here is a direct quote for you about the turnout during the Iranian revolution.
"It is almost unheard of for a revolution to involve as much as 1 percent of a country's population. The French Revolution of 1789, the Russian Revolution of 1917, perhaps the Romanian Revolution of 1989 - these may have passed the 1 percent mark. Yet in Iran, more than 10% of the country marched in anti-shah demonstrations on December 10 and 11, 1978."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution#Start_of_demonstrations_in_late_1977
you can read the article there.
"I never mentioned the elections, but I will say this: Even if the results were accurate and Ahmadinejad won handily, the electoral process itself is rigged. Any bright person, which I feel you are, can recognize this. Candidates are screened, not simply for citizenship or age qualifications, but for ideological conformity."
I agree with that statement, I think any person who qualifies on the basis of citizenship and age should be able to run for office. Off course, there has to be some limitation, or else we will have thousands of people running for office every election, but as a general rule, it should be allowed for people to choose their leaders based on their beliefs. I never said Iran can't improve on its current system through changes and alterations, I just disapprove how some people like these bastards traitors want Iran to be a secularized western stooge. That is actually against what most Iranians are all about and want.
I understand your point about letting people run for office, and I agree with it.
Barmakid,
I don't like to name call with people who actually address the issues and discuss it with me. After all, we are Iranian. It is people like Sohrab, Nader, Amir, Winston who are stooges of the west and secularism and want Iran to be a western lackey and vassal state.
"Never said that or implied that. I feel like you're confusing my arguments with the arguments of others on this blog. I am simply pointing out that to be a dissident is not a negative thing, or to be in the minority for that matter. That's all. "
Point taken, and agreed. Being a dissident is not a bad thing, its a good thing. I think most of the protestors in Iran are peaceful, even though I don't agree with them. The problem is that they are infested with MEK and Mossad agents and Royalists who are causing unrest and stirring violence. I want the government to weed those out, the rest of the people, they are not violent and have a right to protest within the legal framework of the nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
This article talks about the turnout of Iranians during protests against the shah. this part in particular is very interesting.
"A week later on December 10 and 11, a "total of 6 to 9 million" anti-shah demonstrators marched throughout Iran. According to one historian, "even discounting for exaggeration, these figures may represent the largest protest event in history."
It is almost unheard of for a revolution to involve as much as 1 percent of a country's population. The French Revolution of 1789, the Russian Revolution of 1917, perhaps the Romanian Revolution of 1989 - these may have passed the 1 percent mark. Yet in Iran, more than 10% of the country marched in anti-shah demonstrations on December 10 and 11, 1978."
I think its fair to say that these protests are not even close to the level of protests during the Shah. For people like Winston, Amir, Nader, Neda and Sohrab Jendeh to mention that this is a "revolution" is ludicrous. This is anything but a revolution, its a protest against certain policies and for certain superfluous freedoms.
I agree with you as well that people in Iran should be allowed to run for office of any kind without being disqualified based on the reasons they can be disqualified for now. I agree with that 100%. let people run for office, and if they win, so be it, but at least let them run and be defeated. I think when you don't let people run for office because of any reason that is artificial, you tend to alienate that segment however small.
Nader,
Fuck you. your mother is the whore, and your father is a son of a bitch.
You post a youtube clip of some guy who died during the protest after being beaten and hurt, and you want us to feel sorry for you or him or say that because of this one incident, Iran's government is evil?
Fuck you, come up with something better next time asshole.
Amir,
Atta boy, great argument.
"This isn't just about a stolen election, this is to do with corruption, a failing economy, a disgraceful rate of inflation, inadequate health care and high unemployment."
Wait, are you talking about Iran or the United States these past couple of years?
Iran is a DEVELOPING nation who is under constant threat of military attack and sanctions because the US doesn't like what we did to their slave the Shah and to their embassy....booohoo...poor USA.....
I wonder how other nations would develop if they had to endure a 9 year war with their neighbors that destroyed the economy and killed about 1 million Iranians, and I wonder how they would develop if they were under sanctions for that time and under threat of attack. Fuck you, go cry me a river, this movement is NOT about those things, its about the fact that they lost an election, and they want their guy to win!
Iran's government has not failed the country you fucking doushe. We were involved in a bloody 9 year war. The IRI only has been in existence for 30 years! that means that 1/3 of the time we have been at war with Iraq! are you that dense that you can't even realize that!
Yes, the regime in Iran has so created so much damn resentment, thats why its collapsing as we speak, thats why nobody in Iran supports it and thats why Iran's GDP growth rate is about 6% annually for the past decade. That's why our GDP per capita (PPP) is number 59 in the WORLD according to the world bank. we are ahead of countries like Brazil, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, India and even China! Get the fuck out of here, and all this with Iran being under sanctions for 30 fucking years, and involved in a war for 9! Seriously, you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about and its sad, because you're making a fool out of yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
We are also rated as ABOVE average when it comes to GDP per capita, when countries like India, China Brazil and most of Latin America are UNDER world average. Last I checked, except for china, those countries were secular democracies and US allies...It's interesting, we are the US's mortal enemies, and yet under all this threat and sanctions we still do better than US allies do!
"Face it you fucking stooge, your regime has failed Iran."
Yep, you really proved your point Amir jendeh. Seriously, keep up the good work fuck face!
"This minority ( Of millions ) as you call it, is trying to tell you they are fed up."
Correction, this is a MINORITY who can be fed up all they want, they lost the election and that's why they are a minority! You're a fucking idiot.
"Don't bitch later on when your beloved Islamic Regime is confined to the trash can of history."
Last I checked, you're the one that's bitching about Iran. I live in Iran and actually have a damn good life. I feel sorry for you and that whore of a mother that bore you.
SZ,
Another proof that you don't speak Persian! QED
Just because some Baseeji shagged your mother and you were born as an illigitimate kachal does not make you Iranian mr kachal.
Nader,
You're an idiot, I have proven that I can speak farsi just fine. Once again, thanks for addressing the points I made. You really show your intelligence of lack thereof.
madar jendeh ahmag. boro ghomsho kesafat. madar nadari.
"Ahmag"
LOL!
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